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" Instead, they enlist your wanna-be-hippie communistic urban Democrat neighbors, who are out there plugging for more of this. As usual, they are merely useful idiots who never seem to grasp that real “justice” would require an immigration system that admits immigrants legally. Instead, they buy into the absurdity and cruelty of Biden’s open border, imagining that there is something compassionate about screwing people under threat of deportation, and never imagining that they themselves are carrying water for the capitalists that they claim to despise."

Not accurate. In the very photo you posted under this they are carrying a sign that reads, "No Human Being Is Illegal." They don't want them to remain illegal and under threat of deportation.

What they (and we) want is for all of the workers to be made legal and paid fair wages with full rights. We know that we (you and I, our families and those like us) are not going to do those jobs (slaughter house, agriculture or construction all day in the hot sun, etc) no matter what the pay is. So the USA needs people who WILL do it.

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Your comment here inspired me to add a whole new section to the article. Thanks for prompting me.

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Yes that thought occurred to me too. But it also occurred to me that such protests are not waged by people who are working to actively change our laws, otherwise they'd be organizing to lobby Congress rather than carrying signs. They are instead apparently protesting to maintain the status quo. They are either naifs who have some vague notion that ICE is running around knocking on doors (since they seem to protest only in response to certain news events), or they are corporate shills who are paid to make life easier for Cargill. Either way, their effect is to produce a public attitude under which nothing will actually change, but it will be easier for employers of illegal aliens to stay under the radar.

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" But it also occurred to me that such protests are not waged by people who are working to actively change our laws, otherwise they'd be organizing to lobby Congress rather than carrying signs."

I disagree. We do both.

"...it will be easier for employers of illegal aliens to stay under the radar."

We don't want anything to stay under the radar. Especially the conditions the undocumented are working in. Child labor has recently been exposed by Democracy Now in Texas slaughterhouses. We want it all out in the open and we want the people who are providing us Americans with food, and the people who are building our country, to be given swift citizenship, fair pair and equal rights.

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And whaddaya know - as if one cue: Mayorkas brags about getting the DHS to stop using the term "illegal alien". He portrays this as a humanitarian act, and the average moron believes so. But clearly it's a step toward having the accurate term declared "hate speech" and banned entirely from social media. The Biden administration is censoring the acknowledgement of the illegality of these people's presence here, and with that, the the criminality of the employers who screw both us and the aliens by hiring them under the radar. It is a hard thing getting to my age and realizing that the country in which I lived my whole life is run by an utterly soulless, self-serving criminal cartel. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/07/20/mayorkas-brags-about-fighting-the-term-illegal-alien-during-conversation-about-migrants-exploiting-border-crisis-1378995/

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Lest you think my ire is reserved for the Left: I've lived in Minnesota for twelve years. Every election cycle the Republican Party solicits its members for donations and then flushes those donations down the toilet by putting up candidates for statewide and federal offices that everyone knows Republicans cannot win. Meanwhile it loses winnable state legislature swing districts by a few hundred votes each. For example, in 2022 the MNGOP spent millions trying to win the governor's office and lost by 193K votes. Meanwhile it also lost its two most viable state-senate "swing" districts by 321 and 704 votes, respectively. With those losses we also lost our slim state-senate majority, giving the Democrats a trifecta here. So now when MNGOP leadership collects money for its next hopeless election cycle, I know that I'm being solicited by either fools or crooks. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the MNGOP is actaully an arm of the Democrats. So much for what people claim to want vs. the effect they actually have.

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"the Republican Party solicits its members for donations and then flushes those donations down the toilet by putting up candidates for statewide and federal offices that everyone knows Republicans cannot win."

Why would they do that? What makes them unwinnable?

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Minnesota, like all other "blue states", is actually a collection of mostly-red counties dominated by a very few but hugely populated "blue" counties that are actually just cities, where people tend to vote 80/20 or 75/25 Democrat. So any political race requiring votes from these urban areas is a non-starter. In Minnestota those races would be: all statewide races (Governor, AG, SOS, Auditor, etc.), both U.S. Senate seats, all U.S. House seats in the urban areas (in Minnesota: CD3, CD4, CD5, encompassing the Twin Cities), plus all local races in the Twin Cities. Why would the Republican Party waste essentially all its time and money trying to win such races? I've been here 12 years and still cannot answer that question. It could be that Republicans here suffer from some sort of dementia that I cannot even fathom; the ones I've met tend to be in their 50s and older, and their minds seem to be stuck somewhere in the past, when the Twin Cities were not such incredible havens of the lunatic left. My other theory is that there actually is no Republican Party here. The DFL (Minnesota's Democrat Party) has between 40 and 50 times the funding of the MNGOP. With such an incredible disparity, it could be that the MNGOP is actually just a phony arm of the DFL, a complete deception propped up with a mere 2% of the DFL budget in order to provide the illusion that voters here have a choice.

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Dear Incel: At my age I've stopped paying attention to what people say they are doing, and instead I look at the results that they achieve. After decades of noise on this issue, we still have the exact configuration that the criminal corporations want: a gullible public that is open to open borders and which remains totally in the dark about those who remain here illegally. I live near Minneapolis and it's like that with BLM. Black Lives Matter? What a hoot. All they did was burn down the businesses of a bunch of innocent bystanders and unleash a crime wave that keeps suburbanites like me out of the city years later. Black Lives Matter? Yup. Sure: https://daveziffer.substack.com/p/black-lives-matter-yup-sure

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Apparently fetuses are "illegals" and can be killed.

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With a Driver's License, they can register to VOTE! Biden already said he wants illegals to be able to vote. During the Obama administration, Biden went to Mexico and paid for signs telling Mexicans where to go to get free stuff when they got into the US. I saw the signs. They existed then and probably still do.

In Laredo, Mexican nationals flood across the border every day to shop at Walmart and then go home. With Democrat policies, they can flood across the border, vote a bunch of times, and then go home. Addresses are not checked on voter registration. In 2012 a woman registered to vote giving my ID, and I fould out by accident and called the Supv of Elections who told me it was the stranger's word against mine that she didn't live in my house! Democrats. They do not care about the country. They care about turning it into a totalitarian state.

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"how it seems impossible to run payroll (particularly payment and reporting of taxes) on people who have neither work visas nor valid social security numbers."

I don't know about that. My "illegal" neighbor pays taxes. I'll have to ask her about the "legalities" of it. I remember wondering how that worked when she first told me.

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Houti rebels smugglers paradise all the wrong imports with nobody minding the crimes

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Many of these people get paid "under the table." ALL the hispanic lawn services here insist on cash payments, so they pay no taxes either. If businensses do this, too, then they avoid paying for SS and withholding. So we citizens get cheated this way, too.

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She doesn't work in lawn and she isn't "hispanic". She actually works in the office of a small, independent business. I'm not sure how the tax thing works in her case.

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Kathy, Florida is about to collapse because of DeSantis's current bill. Go to Florida girl! They got plenty of jobs for you now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvE1aBq9i2A

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Hehehe! AOC is a terrible actress! She is being groomed to be a Pelosi replacement.

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Influencewatch.org search AOC 😡

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ZIMMERMANS TELEGRAPH 1917 us archives do you see what I see

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Grants subsidiaries etc pac monies funneled through Ngos lobbyists parasite emporium here's the real world news our tax dollars fund every social agency that promotes CLOWARD PIVEN

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Influencewatch.org search Global entry programs

Search Migrant caravans search Refugee resettlement programs

Numbers USA.com has additional

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I always wonder, what is the end game? If the US becomes a wholly third world country, what is to prevent China, or someone else, from basically taking over? How will we defend ourselves from them? Also, have the corporations worked out some kind of deal, where they will be "spared" the inevitable future the peons/useful idiots will face?

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I always wonder, what is the end game? If the US becomes a wholly third world country, what is to prevent China, or someone else, from basically taking over? How will we defend ourselves from them? Also, have the corporations worked out some kind of deal, where they will be "spared" the inevitable future the peons/useful idiots will face?

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Well David, Florida's economy is about to collapse because of DeSantis's bill. Send your nephews and nieces to work coz the immigrants can't anymore. There's plenty of jobs now and employers are BEGGING for workers and Floridians ain't steppin' up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvE1aBq9i2A

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Sick people!

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What do you propose to get American citizens like you, your family members, your friends and neighbors to work in slaughterhouse, paving roads, and picking tomatoes in the hot sun all day?

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I propose a rational worker-visa system under which immigrants are documented properly and granted entry legally, enjoy all rights to which foreign visitors are entitled, and are properly controlled and rewarded with regards to all aspects of their being here. That doesn't seem like a lot to ask, but apparently it's far removed from the diabolical plans of the Biden Crime Family and its criminal Biden Administration.

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My question was not "what do you propose be done about illegal immigrants who work here?". It was "what do you propose to get American CITIZENS LIKE YOU... to work in slaughterhouses, paving roads, and picking tomatoes?". You see, WE, are the problem. Myself and the people I know, as well as yourself and the people you know, refuse to work these jobs. So what do you propose be done to make these unappealing jobs appealing to you and those you know and love so that "illegals" don't have to do it?

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First, I was raised by a semiconductor physicist who brought home fascinating books on electronics and computers, books that gave me a taste for intellectual rather than brutally physical pursuits. Further, because of my lineage, I might be biologically predisposed to such things. So if you are asking about people "like me", the answer is that nothing is going to make me want to pursue any job that doesn't involve significant intellectual stimulation. Now on the other hand, I have a high school friend who has spent his career framing and roofing houses. He's a Caucasian who was born here. He loves his job and is still working at it, even though he's getting too old for it. The main thing that would stimulate others like him to be in such businesses is to remove the illegal competition produced by corporations that illegally hire his competitors who are here illegally, thereby reducing the prices he can charge for his services. We would remove illegal competition by removing the politicians who are in bed with said corporations, replacing them with politicians who would (at public behest) force said corporations to behave ethically. We'd still be importing perhaps millions of true immigrants (i.e. people who are admitted LEGALLY) to do most of this work, but they'd be in plain sight and treated ethically, and they'd be making more money, AS WOULD MY HIGH-SCHOOL FRIEND. So actually my entire article, whose point you may have missed, was and is the answer to your question. And my other article here, especially the "Use It Or Lose It" part, is how we might go about actually removing the crooks from power. And yes, despite deep corruption in the Republican party, this must be an initiative of the Republicans, whose voter base is not vapid enough to be marching the streets mistakenly supporting the status quo: Republicans must form a CONGRESS OF REPUBLICAN STATES: https://daveziffer.substack.com/p/republicans-must-form-a-congress

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"We'd still be importing perhaps millions of true immigrants (i.e. people who are admitted LEGALLY) to do most of this work"

But why would we have to import millions of immigrants to do this work? This is the issue.

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At this point I must presume that you are driven by some egalitarian world-view that requires that everyone and everything be the same. In the real world, people seek opportunity because they have little, and so they are willing to work nastier jobs for less money. When I was 15, I got a job as a dishwasher at $1.73 per hour. The reason was that at that time I had no money, was otherwise unemployable, and so was willing to work such a job for such wages. Your ideology seems to suggest that in order to not be a "problem" I should be willing to work that same job today. There's another guy I recall who had this same egalitarian impulse: Cambotia's Pol Pot, who actually implemented your concept. First, he murdered about one third of the Cambodian population - "problem" people like me who were educated and therefore could earn more money in "soft" jobs rather than "hard" ones. He then marched the rest out into the countryside, where they were to grow their own food through manual labor. In Pol Pot's world, your problem is solved - the rational hierarchy of human economies is defeated, the efficiency of the population drops by perhaps 95%, and the survivors live on the brink of starvation. Not long ago, before my retirement, my desk was next to that of a Cambodian co-worker, a woman who recalled for me the joy of living under Pol Pot's egalitarian economy. She was forced into child slavery at the age of five. Her days consisted of lugging water back and forth to workers in the field. She said that in those days, while carrying water, she would search along the roadside for insects and small animals that she might eat raw because she was so desperately hungry. So you see - your dream world has already been tried: https://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/pol-pot

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"When I was 15, I got a job as a dishwasher at $1.73 per hour. The reason was that at that time I had no money, was otherwise unemployable, and so was willing to work such a job for such wages."

Why aren't young Americans willing to do this sort of thing now?

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Because millions of our own low-skill able-bodied citizens get paid to NOT WORK. When I was just out of highschool and unskilled, I worked at a lunch counter for 50 cents an hour and babysat for 75 cents an hour to earn money for college. There are plenty of jobs for low-skilled workers and plenty of people to do them, but they want $25 an hour to do them because the govt pays them so much to NOT work.

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Which government program is that and where do I sign up? I'd love to be paid $25.00 per hour for the equivalent of a 40 hour work week by the government just to stay home and do nothing.

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We have plenty of uneducated Americans with no educaiton and no job skills. THEY ARE LIVING ON WELFARE AND NOT WORKING. I taight school for years, and the largest families are welfare families. I don't work in a slaughterhouse or pick tomatoes because I have a master's degree in mathematics. But we have millions of native-born Americans who could do those jobs if they weren't being paid to stay home and birth an other welfare kid every year. THAT is the result of DEMOCRAT POLICIES, TOO.

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Is this in Appalachia? I've heard there are multi-generational "welfare families" all throughout that region but isn't that something of an old myth? I mean I know it was thought to be common even a few decades ago but birthrates have gone done significantly and with the advent of the internet such type of lifestyle is uncool now. The welfare argument just doesn't add up because the amount of money dished out by Sam isn't that much. I do know some people who get a little government help but they still have to work jobs.

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Quit paying so much WELFARE that incentivizes women to have more babies and stay home. The Democrat "anti-poverty" programs started by LBJ have destroyed the black family and created generational welfare families (both black and white). The largest families in any public school are welfare families, and they usually are the worst behaved. A large percentage of those kids eventually go to prison. (A friend of mine is a parole officer. He can't get parolees to take jobs that involve any physical labor. They aren't used to working and don't intend to if they can help it.)

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